Thursday, January 22, 2009

Obamaaaa or Odrama!

Putting forward an interesting conversation that I had accidentally.

LL at 01:04, on 22 January.
I have to respond to ur status since I absolutely disagree. Maybe it didn't move anyone in India but it certainly moved everyone in the US. " We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers. " This was said after the Inauguration was opened by a catholic priest as is always the tradition. Not impactful to you but definitely touched my Jewish acting teacher. Plus why is everyone in India looking for Obama to bring about change? People in the US don't rely on the President/PM of India. We should look for our own leader for change and hope that the rest of the world has great leaders like Obama who can be a fuel to the process while initiating change in their own countries.


Me at 01:11, on 22 January.
Another thing Change is a process not a light switch that you switch on and off. Its not something that will happen overnight.

Lada Singh at 02:48, on 22 January.
LL , just read your comments. I think no one is suggesting/looking for a change in India through Obama. All that, we are trying to say, is that Obama has been rattling off the same thing over and over again. He has spoken about change not how he will bring about the change. US as a secular nation is not a new point brought forward by Obama. We mustn't forget that Obama never used the word Hussein during his campaign. We mustn't also forget that Obama does not represent the actual Black masses--economically and socially. However, he consistently played up the black gene. We mustn't also forget that Obama is an ambitious man and not a saint, America is believing him to be. Yes, what Obama has done to America..none of the contemporary leaders have done to their nations. He has united his country and that is a huge thing to do but how does he plan to sustain it.

Lada Singh at 02:50, on 22 January.
The discussion above was not a reaction to Obama's idea of change but the lack of anything new and substantive or different that we all expected him to be...on his inaugural day. And worry not, we don't want Obama to change things for anyone else, but just correct things gone wrong with the States. :)
LL at 03:12, on 22 January.
Lada, I think the problem with us is that we're constantly looking for something 'new and different' from Obama. Why should anything 'new and different' be mentioned in his inauguration speech. The reason why he was elected was because of his beliefs and ideologies that connected with most of America. And just on day 1 of him being President lets give him the opportunity to enforce what he has believed in first. Thats hotch potch politics in India where promises are met by more promises. About the Hussein topic, Your name on face book is Lada Singh...ur middle name is not used as well . And most people don't use it unless its for documentation purposes. Why is no fuss being made about Joe Biden not using his middle name or John McCain or Sarah Palin. And even if it was strategicialy avoided its a good thing because America was definitely not ready for a Muslim president. I know quite a few who were turned off by Obama's middle name being Hussein.
LL at 03:20, on 22 January.
Cont... An African American contesting was a challenge in itself. And I guess its one step at a time.About the Change that Obama would bring about...his policies to initiate that change and the medium to go about the same are clearly drafted and available both on his website and were made known by him during the 3 presedential debates where he and McCain discussed and debated on almost all policies from foreign affairs to the environment. His plan supporting his ideologies was laid out. Thats why America voted for him. A inauguration speech to a nation is not the place to discuss action plans especially when they're laid out already instead it is to instill faith in a nation that lost hope with its last president.

LL at 03:21, on 22 January.
ignore the typos...lol

Me at 03:30, on 22 January.
LL , Not new or different but substantive. That's the crux. On Nov 4 night he says, "Change has come to America". Really? Was that the case?An inaugural address is a blueprint of a leader's vision, not a repeated dose of hope,change and blah. No one is taking away the time factor from him. He has four years with him. The reference to Obama speech boring is our personal opinion. As for your comments about Indian politicians making promises,Politicians are same every where. And you have answered my issue about the Hussein topic. Obama chose not to use the name Hussein because America was not ready for it. Wouldn't it have been more transperant of him, to be proud of his mix culture and gene? As for me using Lada Singh, Its just here on facebook. All my programs on television or my books and articles carry the full name..and no, the name doesn't indicate a different religion, which is a case with Barak Hussein Obama.

LL at 03:31, on 22 January.
I'm also not sure what u mean by Obama not representing the African American masses economically and socially?...Pls elaborate on what u think is the 'African American masses'? I hope its not the same assumption that majority of people in India lives below the poverty line hence A.R.Rahman doesn't represent India?In anycase Obama may be rich now but he did come from a poor family. Before his book the Audacity of Hope was published he hardly had money and it was his earnings from the book that got him started though yet not enough for the presedential race. Remember Bill Clinton questioning the same when Obama was running against Hillary. He called Obama's chances something that only happens in fairy tales then and (while I think Bill Clinton was a fab prez), Obama proved him wrong.



Me at 03:34, on 22 January.
I see your point and I agree with it. But, when we talk of policies etc, we have an Obama team of veterans in place. The leader is fresh and new. Yes, he has a chance to create history and I am positive he will, but the issue here, is about the speech being boring. And yes, it was terribly boring. :) American voting patterns indicated a 90% black vote, plus the fact that Clinton pitched in to. The age factor too contributed a great deal. I am not taking anything away from Obama. But America voted for him because of heart not head. There is nothing wrong, but not every thing is right about it either.



Me at 03:44, on 22 January.
Obama's mother only took care of him for a short time. Most of his life he lived with his grandmother, who was an executive at a bank, his grandfather, owned his own successfull chain of furniture stores. His moms parents were not poor, perhaps not ultra wealthy but certainly upper middle class. Obama's father was also a well-to-do college student from Kenya (that's how they met.). His grandfather was an Arab slave trader in Africa (neither were sheepherders as he is fond of saying). Obama went to college & law school through affirmative action. It was all written about last year in Time & Newsweek magazines as well as other periodicals.In the face of above, Obama was not an ideal Afro American, west has painted him to be. His issues with drugs did not come out of poverty but out of lack of direction. As for his nominations, I wouldn't want to get into the details of Florida and Michigan Primary Controversies.


Me at 03:45, on 22 January.Cont...
As for Bill C comment, All I would say is that there was a Michelle O comment too..about how she finally felt proud of America...(( coz her husband was running for President!!) People do say things...I still am positive about Obama but yes, the speech was boring! :P
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